Question from a Dentist

Dear Dr. Ellie:

I am a dentist in Kentucky, where we have a great deal of decay and periodontal disease. I am in the process of reading your book. Just have a few questions. Even though you are not a fan of baking soda, would a baking soda rinse be acceptable for someone that doesn’t have the CloSys rinse?

Why do you not recommend the CloSys toothpaste as well? I examined my wife last week and found two areas of decay on the bitewings. She takes really good care of her teeth and this is the first time I have ever found anything wrong with her teeth. Within the last year she has lost 100 lbs and part of her program involved drinking eight glasses of water a day. She puts lemon in her water and I never thought that such a dilute solution would ever harm her but that is the only thing I can contribute it to.

Anyway, I have loved your book so far and I just joined the AAOSH, so maybe I will get a chance to speak with you at the June meeting.

Dr. H.

Hi Dr. H,

My immediate thought would be to start your wife on my system ASAP. Remineralization can occur as long as there is not visible cavitation.

If the decay is interproximal – my system will work – so my advice would be to start now and retake bitewings at 6 month intervals.

Using composite fillings will release BPA which can make people fatter – besides being an estrogen mimicking hormone.

I would NOT recommend a filling if it can be avoided. The pH of a liquid does not depend on dilution – and citrus is almost like a mineral-vacuum – sucking minerals out of teeth.

All citrus products cause immense damage – the only hope is when they are negated by xylitol. My advice would be to have your wife start drinking good (pH 7+) water with a half teaspoon of xylitol dissolved in the water.

Figi and Evian are the most well known and alkaline waters. What is the pH of your tap water?

Sipping this drink all day will keep your wife’s blood glucose levels stable, cut sugar cravings, AND remineralize her teeth!

I believe that this time next year these teeth will have remineralized and your X rays will show this to be the case!

On the subject of Baking soda:

Closys does more than alkalize the mouth – it provides oxygen to the mouth – and the benefits of this “treatment” are endless.

I would NOT recommend baking soda for anyone – especially someone who may have an acidic mouth ( e.g. a woman over the age of 18)

Baking soda appears to interfere with the development of a stable healthy oral biofilm – necessary for remineralization and also protection from future damage.

Walgreens sells Closys – and also dental supply companies.

I order 32 and 64 oz containers for my clients and employees – who use this product regularly and appreciate the discount I give them.

I don’t ship Closys from my website – since the shipping costs become too complex.

Your patients and employees will become your best advocates for Closys and for my system if they try it.

We sell everything you need in a kit – and at a discount on the wholesale side of my website – (for doctors and dentists to sell to their clients and patients).

If you need more help – let me know.

I am delighted that you are coming to the AAOSH meeting – these are an amazing group of health professionals!

Thanks again for getting in touch – please let me know if you would like to speak more on the phone.

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  • Anonymous says:

    Dr, you said that a baking soda rinse is bad because it inhibits oral biofilms – any chance you could provide a reference for that? I use an oral calcium/magnesium/potassium carbonate rinse to raise the ph of my mouth when I feel a cavity forming. It seems to work but I wonder what side effects there might be…

  • Dr. Ellie says:

    I think are too many variables for a good study about baking soda at this point.I have just made a personal observation.It was the same with the subject of mouth acidity back in the 1960s. I made my own personal observations from noticing and talking with patients.Studies on oral health were not paying any attention to mouth acidity. Everyone was focused on sugar and new filling materials!The problem is that baking soda can remove the healthy part of biofilm along with harmful bacteria.The issue is whether or not a patient can then naturally "reform" their own protective biofilm.Since protective biofilm is a layer formed from salivary proteins – it may be difficult to create in a dry or acidic mouth.Salivary proteins may be different in the mouth of someone with a poor immune system.Creating healthy biofilm also seems to become a problem for someone who does not consume dairy – for reasons unknown – but possibly mineral related.As far as I know there are no studies on this subject.I have witnessed countless women who have suffered from painless gum recession – to the point of loosing a tooth – after using baking soda and/ or peroxide therapies.Why not change to use a system that will stop cavities forming and promote ultimate and sustainable oral health?At least change your system to use xylitol……Ellie

  • Anonymous says:

    Many thanks for your response. To be honest, I just happened upon your blog for the first time today and haven't read much yet about your system, but I'm looking forward to it greatly. I think you're really on to something that almost no dentists focus on.By the way, I read somewhere on your blog about sorbitol and heartburn. I agree that it can be a problem but (as a guy how focuses on reflux as much as anyone) I suspect the mechanism is that sorbitol is fermtatble fiber (i.e., a prebiotic) and consuming fermentable fibers seems to promotes reflux by itself. Check out healthyskeptic (a blog by Chris Kressler) for a pretty interesting exploration of the role of such fibers in reflux. My theory is that the presence of short chain fatty acids (the by product of such fermatation) in the colon signals to the body that there are calories to be gained form fermentation and so causes a slowing of digestion. This slowing causes upward intra-abdominal pressure which, in people with hiatal hernias, causes reflux.

  • Dr. Ellie says:

    Wow – I like your thinking – welcome and please keep me in the loop with information about acid reflux!I had to discover all by myself that it was acidity ( rather than sugar) that caused teeth to erode and destroyed healthy biofilm.Where are dental students learning about preventing dental disease?There is much work to be done! Fortunately new technology will help us!Thanks again for your posting – I will research more about acid reflux with your suggested ideas.Ellie

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